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Bovada Player Prop Bet Parlay for Multiple Players on Different NFL teams

Is there anyway I can make a parlay of prop bets on multiple players from multiple teams in the NFL this Sunday? When I open props it gives me the option to build a parlay but only on props from that game.
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I'm back to vent. Day 1.

So, I've been here a couple of times. I went clean for about 3 months back in August of this year. I then started sports betting only. It went well actually. I netted positive in a month's worth of entertainment. That's a huge win.
Guess what though. I see my bank roll on Bovada ($500). I research prop bets to bet on for NFL today (Hawks vs Eagles), while doing that, I opened one of the live blackjack table to see suckers lose minimum $100 hands on my second screen. I think you know what's about to happen after.
Went to a smaller minimum table ($25). Played for about an hour, stayed even. They shut down live tables for maintenance. This takes about half hour. Guess what, I still wanna play blackjack. I went and played the automated two decker. Got up to $600, after about half hour I tilt bet and lost it all on a couple of $200 hands.
FUCK! I grabbed my hat that I was wearing, squeezed the brim as hard as I could and punched my couch (closest thing next to me). Anxiety.. I then realize this isn't me. It doesn't end here though.
The live tables are back, I see this kid on a solo table. He's on a hot streak. Time to transfer (uh-oh). Transferred $100, $100 turned into $200, eventually transferred $500. Did a solo table myself. I HIT BIG!
My bank roll is $2500. No way the wife is gonna be mad at me when I transfer the money back and then some.
$2500 went to $2400, $2400 went to $2000, then $1500, $1000, $0.
My heart sank. I realize I'm a different person when I'm in front of the screen of a live table. Something overcomes me. This isn't me. I knew very well to stay away from table games. I knew the consequences. The disease takes over my body and mind. I can't control my actions. Literally, I'm fully aware of the downsides.
Now,
End of the month, bills are here. Mortgage, quarterly city water bill that I held off on, credit card (that we pay off every month), cable, electricity, phone, etc etc. I'm on tilt mode. This shit is so hard, I even she'd a little tear after it all. It's not even the amount really, I have thousands in the bank and investments. It's the sad truth that I can't over come this disease. I just can't control this demon.
I feel defeated. I don't know what to do. I haven't slept in almost 24 hours. It's 8 in the morning and I'm posting a sob story on the internet because I have issues from 1st world problems.
What can I do? How do I get help? How do people go cold turkey? Gambling makes my life very happy. I feel complete. Without it, life is a drag. Even if you're just a lurker, I hope you stay strong. Don't be like me, I'm selfish and greedy for the rush. I care for nothing when I'm gambling.
Have a blessed day.
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NCAA BB Sharp Action for tonight, 1/14

Where did I get all of these? I find the sharpest sports betting minds and put together their daily picks from their podcasts, Twitter, and media appearances every day in my newsletter http://www.thepickreport.com. Subscribe for free to get them daily.

NCAA BB

ThreeManWeave @3MW_CBB
Jim BYU +1 (BB) Utah St. -1 Northern Colorado -6.5 Wagner +1
Matt Utah St. -1 (BB) Santa Clara / Pacific UNDER 130.5 Wagner +1
Ky Northern Colorado -6.5 (BB)
DavidDaman @daviddaman2
San Diego State (+2) San Diego State/Utah State Un 131.5 BYU (+1) Portland State/Montana State Un 150.5

NFL Division Weekend Props

Joey Knish @JoeyKnish22
Bovada Most passing yards: Mayfield +2000 Goff +3000 Most receiving yards: Evans +1400 Woods +2500 Lazard +2500
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Bovada Prop Builder

Just became acquainted with the new prop builder on Bovada for NFL games. I believe it is new and wanted to make sure people were aware - it is a very cool feature.
Options include building player props. Example - You select a player, say Melvin Gordon and you set his total rushing yards and pick over or under. The odds change with the number of yards you input. You then have the option to combine another player prop and parlay, or add team moneyline, or keep it as a single bet.
H2H is also an option. Select any two receivers, same or opposing teams and more yards wins
Quick Pick section has a lot of pre-made prop bets and combos that had not been offered before. Multi TD scorers, carries receptions etc. Combo bet odds ranging from -400 (Derrick Henry 70+ yards and 1+ TD) to +19200 (Lindsay 120+ yards and 2+ TDs)
Just thought I'd share - fun new way to lose money. BOL
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The 76th Annual Golden Globe Awards

Hello again everyone!! It is awards show season! For those of you who have been following along through the years I thank you for coming back. Huge thanks to the many of you who reached out by DM asking if I was going to do this again this year. It really feels good be able to contribute to this sub because despite our political, social, and economical differences we are all just here to help each other. sportsbook has been adding new members like crazy so if you are new here, Hi, I’m Kyle. I love Award Show props. Here are a few of my previous Golden Globes posts :
2018 5-1
2017 6-1
2016 3-5
2014 4-1
You may notice that I sometimes will take 2 nominees in the same category. These are prop bets so sometimes I will take the favorite and then a dark horse because there is ALWAYS a dark horse winner. ALWAYS. (Looking at you Black Panther). Other times the value for two nominees will be in our favor like +300 and +400. Taking a unit on both is a great way to have two fifths of the nominees in a category with a chance of positive units if either one wins. Also of course, a great way to lose an extra unit if we get hit with a bogey.
I do a ton of research, read a ton of blog posts, ‘who will win’ posts, etc. I compile the data into a spreadsheet giving point values to authors and commentators who I find have the best history of picks themselves. It’s not the prettiest spreadsheet and I know these posts are getting more popular year by year so next year I will be sure to include a link to a cleaned up version of my research.
I have taken my bets today at 7am PST so the odds above reflect that time. Odds are from BOVADA this year as they had the most props out of the books I use. I bet in $10 units with the exception of Lady Gaga this year. I have $250 on her (part of my Christmas bonus) so she’s going to personally make or break my night but my confidence level on her is 95%. Please follow or fade responsibly. I usually do fairly well but I do this for fun. I am going to be watching the show anyway, why not make it a little interesting right?
As always I will be back to live or die by my picks so feel free to head back here Sunday at 5pm PST to see how we do this year. Hopefully we can get a discord session going. Good luck everyone!
Best Motion Picture Drama
A Star Is Born -450
If Beale Street Could Talk +550
BlacKkKlansman +1100
Black Panther +1100
Bohemian Rhapsody +1600
The top category of the night seems like a no brainer but...I think am avoiding dropping the coin on ASIB simply because I really feel like Black PantheKlansman/Rhapsody are going to get a ton of votes and ASIB should already take multiple awards by this time. Beale Street was the Regina King show, period. I think she should win her category but the movie will not win this award.
I almost hate to even bet because I know in my heart that ASIB will probably take this but Black Panther winning this award seems like destiny. It WILL NOT get an Oscar nomination and the HFPA knows it. Giving them the statue would take and industry shot at the Academy and cement them as the hip award, the award you want to win because its prestigious AND fun. With that said, the producers of ASIB decided to skip the slam dunk awards they would have gotten if they went for comedy/musical. They feel this movie is so strong it can take the most prestigious award the HFPA has, and they’ve got a damn good shot at it. I’m going small on Black Panther but I wouldn’t recommend tailing unless you’re just looking to have a little fun.
My Bet – Black Panther .5u
Best Motion Picture Musical Or Comedy
Green Book +115
The Favorite +160
Vice +300
Mary Poppins Returns +1400
Crazy Rich Asians +2500
Great category with a lot of value all around. Every movie is a +115 or better for this category. You’ve got 4 “comedies” and one real musical here. This category had the most controversy on my spreadsheet and my gut says Vice. Ali is a real front-runner for supporting actor but IMO the movie itself fell flat. Vice is a star studded movie directed by Adam Mckay (The Big Short, which also won…) You know Adam Mckay from StepBrothers, Anchorman, Talledega Nights Etc. A second win for him would help anchor him as a leading director. The editing for Vice helps get them my vote here. Here’s hoping Green Book and Favorite split the votes.
NOTE : If Bovada allows live betting and Ali & Viggo win their awards I will be hammering Green Book to hedge and then some.
My bet – Vice 1u
Best Actor In A Motion Picture Drama
Bradley Cooper (A Star Is Born) -300
Rami Malek (Bohemian Rhapsody) +250
Willem Dafoe (At Eternity's Gate) +1400
John David Washington (BlacKkKlansman) +1800
Lucas Hedges (Boy Erased) +1800
My research actually has this muuuuch closer.
The value for Malek is really good here. My sheet has this almost dead split with Rami in a small lead (Cooper 42%, Malek 46%, everyone else a whopping 12%.) I tend to agree however. Cooper is really singing, he really learned to play the guitar, and honestly ASIB is a better showcase roll. John D Washington was remarkable in Klansman, he could absolutely steal this if Rami and Cooper split these votes. +250 is too good of a value to ignore for someone getting this much buzz so I am going to take Malek but this may be one to just leave alone.
My Bet – Rami Malek .5u
Best Actor In A Motion Picture Musical Or Comedy
Christian Bale (Vice) -170
Viggo Mortensen (Green Book) +185
Robert Redford (The Old Man & The Gun) +800
John C. Reilly (Stan & Ollie) +1600
Lin-Manuel Miranda (Mary Poppins Returns) +1600
Christian Bale seems too easy on this one. You guys know the rules, if you drastically change your body you get a huge boost in votes for an award. Viggo is amazing in Green Book but the movie really lacked in a lot of ways and I think that will bring his value down here. Ali will most likely take the supporting actor award and I would agree with that, Ali held that movie down. If I am wrong and Vice doesn’t take best comedy, I think this is the award they are handed. As mentioned before, at this time of night Ali will have already won or lost. If he has won and Viggo somehow takes this I would hammer down on Green Book if your book allows live betting.
My Bet – Christian Bale 2u
Best Actress In A Motion Picture Drama
Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born)-250
Glenn Close (The Wife)+275
Nicole Kidman (Destroyer)+1100
Melissa McCarthy (Can You Ever Forgive Me?)+1200
Rosamund Pike (A Private War)+1400
I think this is the GaGa show. You guys remember when she won for American Horror Story and she had great speech that was overshadowed by Leo’s weird glance at her? The HFPA remembers. ..
Kidman's best roll this year was for A Boy Erased, I have no idea why they chose this other movie for her, throw her back in the ocean (Aquaman joke, nailed it). Mcarthy was actually really really good in her roll and in any other year she would get a small bet from me with those odds but on the real, Gaga is going to win. I really think -250 is a blessing because of the names she’s up against.
My Bet - Lady Gaga 25u
Best Actress In A Motion Picture Musical Or Comedy
Olivia Colman (The Favorite)-140
Emily Blunt (Mary Poppins Returns)+150
Charlize Theron (Tully)+1200
Constance Wu (Crazy Rich Asians)+1200
Elsie Fisher (Eighth Grade)+1400
Constance Wu is my dark horse fav for the night. The HFPA would love to brag about giving an award to Wu. Theron is just nominated because they want her to be in the house, she will not get an Oscar nom. If you saw The Favorite then you probably know how great Colman was in her role. It’s hard to overlook her, she is the frontrunner for a reason. However, Emily Blunt is a really great Mary Poppins and theaters are selling out seats for her movie. Both Coleman and Blunt have Globes already, both for mini-series acting. I may avoid this category altogether however I will edit this post if I decide to bet. Leaning Blunt with a small bet on Wu.
Best Animated Motion Picture
Incredibles 2 +125
Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse +150
Isle Of Dogs +300
Mirai +1800
Ralph Breaks The Internet +1800
This is surprisingly one of the hardest categories this year. Into The Spider-Verse is my #4 movie of the year. The art was beyond amazing, the humor was non-stop, and the action was paced perfectly. Let’s be real, there’s a Pixar juggernaut in the mix here so the smart move is probably to steer clear of this one. Isle of Dogs is getting a steady stream of buzz but nothing to suggest it would win. You know I am always a fan of betting on 2 nominees if they’re both in the +++ but +125 and +150 aren’t really a wide enough difference or big enough number. If Isle Of Dogs was not in the picture here I would probably go 2 units on Incredibles and Verse but theres too good of an outside chance that Dogs will swipe the rug out from under us. The safe bet is always with Pixar. I will update this with my final choice nearer to Sunday. If I have a whiskey driven evening I will probably hit Spider-Verse. Did you see Spider-Verse? See Spider-Verse.
Best Director
Alfonso Cuarón (Roma) -250
Bradley Cooper (A Star Is Born) +275
Adam McKay (Vice) +1000
Spike Lee (BlacKkKlansman) +1400
Peter Farrelly (Green Book) +1600
Alright I am actually writing this one last because it puzzles me. I can absolutely see the HFPA award Cooper for his first directing gig being such a hit. Sure it’s a story that’s proven to pull in crowds but he still nailed it. Not everyone loved the movie but no one hated it.
With that said, Cuaron is technically nominated for his foreign film. That’s pretty rare but with Netflix being the medium it was easy for them to get into the foreign category and get a free win. Like seriously Roma is a fantastic movie and the directing is great. The picture he paints with a limited canvas is absolutely captivating.
Adam Mckay should be more like +600. I am a little surprised to see him down so low however I think his movie will have already won best screenplay at this point and so losing this will be alright...he still gets to add those little icons to his DVD case.
My Bet - Cauron 1.25u
Best Foreign Language Motion Picture
Roma (Mexico) -600
Never Look Away (Germany)+650
Shoplifters (Japan)+800
Capernaum (Lebanon)+1800
Girl (Belgium)+1800
Cauron is the front-runner for best director for a reason. They chose to submit it for foreign language because it will totally win in the category. It’ll get an Oscar nomination and lose and then just hang out on your “yeah I’ll watch that eventually” list on your Netflix queue. Not worth betting imo so I am staying clear.
Best Supporting Actor In Any Motion Picture
Mahershala Ali (Green Book) -130
Richard E. Grant (Can You Ever Forgive Me?) +180
Timothée Chalamet (Beautiful Boy) +400
Adam Driver (BlacKkKlansman) +2000
Sam Rockwell (Vice) +2500
Ali, all day. This is one of those categories that seems too easy. He really shines in Green Book. He was nominated before for his roll in Moonlight. He lost that night however the movie took home the biggest prize. I think he has a big career ahead and this could be a giant stepping stone. Side note, he is The Prowler in Spider-Verse and that was a damn fun character to watch.
My Bet – Ali 3u
Best Supporting Actress In Any Motion Picture
Regina King (If Beale Street Could Talk) -250
Amy Adams (Vice) +235
Emma Stone (The Favorite) +1200
Claire Foy (First Man) +1400
Rachel Weisz (The Favorite) +2000
Regina King is nominated twice on Sunday. She may win both. Emma and Rachel are going to split a handful of votes and Claire Foy isn’t winning anything that isn’t related to The Crown. As the odds show this is going to come down to HFPA darling Amy Adams and ‘powerhouse finally hitting her stride’ Regina King. If you check her wikipedia youll see she has 13 nominations for this award from various academies, shes already won 9 of them, with 2 left to go. My only hesitation is that she may also win her TV award. You know how much back-patting the HFPA would like to give itself for giving an african-american actress a TV and Film award on the same night? I mean, think of the press they’d get.
Best Television Limited Series Or Motion Picture Made For Television
The Assassination Of Gianni Versace: American Crime Story -150
Sharp Objects +200
A Very English Scandal +400
Escape At Dannemora +2000
The Alienist +2000
You can thank Sharp Objects for being nominated because AOGV is going to win big this year. Not going to go over it too much because it’s a dull category but basically Sharp Objects is this years Big Little Lies but without all the hype or momentum.
My Bet – AOGV 4u
Best Television Series Drama
Killing Eve -170
Homecoming +200
The Americans +500
Pose +2000
Bodyguard +2500
Killing Eve was a really interesting show and I think Sandra Oh deserves a lot of praise but I really don’t see it winning this award. The Emmys already said no thanks. This is the 5th and final attempt at a Globe for The Americans and I think it has a real shot at this one. Matthew Rhys should take home his award in the acting category. Homecoming was a flash-in-the-pan show for Amazon but it had a shit load of flash. This is a 2 bet line for me.
My Bet Homecoming 1u + The Americans 1u
Best Television Series Musical Or Comedy
The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel -175
The Kominsky Method+300
Barry +350
The Good Place +1800
Kidding +2000
I am completely torn on this category. I have a hard time believing Mrs Maisel should win again. It’s second season was arguably weaker than it’s first however it destroyed at the Globes and Emmys last year. I think Barry should be above The Kominsky Method, I feel the nomination here was to get the show’s stars in the seats. Full disclosure The Good Place is easily my favorite show of the bunch and the only major network for TV this year…and that’s nuts. My gut says stay away but there’s a chance I throw a half unit on Barry. It killed at the Emmys this year.
Thanks for reading everyone. Good luck on Sunday. Hopefully by then you’ve already had a great weekend of winning your NFL bets and are starting the new year off right!
EDITS :
SIB moved to -600, Gaga to -400.
AOGV to -220
Bale up to -200
Malek moved to +185
Spider-verse moved to -175! Should have jumped on it with the value
Roma is at -1200 now lol
FINAL PRESHOW EDIT :
I took sprider-verse for 1 unit at -175
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Here's why idgaf about on-line betting odds for GoT

Edit: according to mooncoin_money there is a payout limit of $200 for this bet on one of the sites. The rest of my post is unnecessary at this point, what insider would give a shit about $200, lol
.......
Freefolk has inspired me to put on my detective cap and see if it is logical or likely that insider betting has greatly affected the odds on sites like bovada. Here's some common arguments I've seen in support of insider betting being the cause of specific character shifts, and why i think they are baseless claims:
No, not really. There are individual wager payout limits like $100,000 at Bovada, and individual player payout limits like $150,000 in a 24 hour period at BetOnline. While those amounts are nothing to sniff at its hard to imagine many insiders willing to lose their career, personal relationships, and risk a lawsuit if they had any type of contract or NDA with production over that low of a payout.
To even reach those payout amounts a large wager would have to be put down in the first place. For example: to get a payout of $99,964 (the closest to the 100k limit without going over) when brans odds were at +6600 you would have to place a bet of $1492. It is highly unlikely there was ever an option to place that large of a bet. Entertainment prop bets are a teeny tiny portion of what these online betting sites do. They dont invest the time and money into them that you would need to in order to monitor large bets like that. Oddsshark says the following about prop bets: Most sportsbooks also spend much less time making sure the lines are sharp on props than they do on more traditional lines such as point spreads, moneylines and OVEUNDER totals. Instead, they usually charge extra juice on props, making it easier for them to profit on these types of wagers.. It is particularly hard to find info on entertainment prop bets because they are such an insignificant part of the business, the sites don't waste much effort on explaining them. The most concrete limit on entertainment prop bets I could find is in relation to nfl entertainment prop bets: "Also note that some NFL props come with a smaller maximum bet than usual, especially those dealing with entertainment; a cap of $50 is common with these wagers." If they'll only allow you to bet $50 on a super bowl half-time show wager then why would they allow bets 20x that on Game of Thrones? Just not logical.
In the interest of finding out the truth, I contacted Bovada since on-line betting is illegal in my state so I can't place a wager myself and see what the limit is. The entertainment prop bets are so unimportant to Bovada they dont even have information readily available about it to their sports book customer service team, who would be able to break down sports bets for me no problem. So customer service couldnt give me a definitive answer about what the wager limit is for GoT, but they said entertainment bets in general do not reach their game prop bet limits, which according to this table are mostly in the $500-$1000 range.
If anyone placed a bet on one of these sites and was shown what the max betting limit was we would all love to know.
multiple accounts will likely not pass the sniff test at these sites. They pretty much all use third party companies to verify the identity of customers, definitely use these checks on people placing high wagers, and will absolutely verify info before making a large payout. Someone willing to risk their career for this money would probably read the terms a bit and realize they can't pull off fake accounts. If they are smart and technologically savy enough to have multiple identities that can hold up against dmv records and the like then wtf are doing messing with game of thrones, their professional scammer asses should already be rich.
Yes, they can have friends and family place bets as well, but the more people you bring into the loop the more likely you are to get caught. Loose lips sink ships. These additional people would also be taking on the tax burden that goes along with large payouts, which many people might not want to do.
because people are sheeple. Oddsshark explains betting against the public as a good strategy becase "The idea behind this betting system is that the public can be easily brainwashed by the media and tends to be wrong more often than not, so the more excited and loaded up they are on one side of a game, the more likely it is that the “smart” wager is taking the opposite side and fading them instead." The public is the people piling on bran, the smat money is to bet against them.
the odds for things like who dies first doesnt line up with known info, which Excellent_Aerie did a great job of explaining in this thread. Why would an insider(s) not be using info to make money off those categories?
There are no co-ruling options, which means you could potentially lose money on a winning bet, as already explained here.
When there has been insider knowledge betting in the past betting has been suspended, end of story. This time around it was suspended, investigated, and re-opened. I'm not looking for the links for that, someone else can search for them if need be.
The prosecution rests it's case, your honor. All hail King Bullshit
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NFL Draft Online Bets?

First of all I've never gambled with any online sites yet. Friends of mine have used Bovada and seem to like it. I wanted to maybe heighten the NFL draft experience this year and possibly put some money down.
I could only find one site so far? Does anyone know if more sites post stuff the week of?
So this site, kind of lackluster with the quantity of available bets but here are some:
QBs first round 3.5 over (-250), under (+170) - Bet Over: See this as almost a lock, correct me if I'm wrong draft invites Murray, Lock, Jones, heard Haskins was invited but not attending. Puts it at 4, one I'm worried about Jones but he was invited.
WRs taken in first 2.5 oveunder both (-120). -Pass on bet, I think Metcalf and maybe both the Browns but a lot of uncertainty.
First WR taken oveunder 19.5, over (+110), under (-150) -would put some on the under, usually someone would be taken by this time.
Draft Position Q Williams oveunder 3.5, both (-120) -would bet over thinking Murray, Bosa, Allen (but have seen the Bengals and Bills have brought Allen in this week) someone might want to jump the Raiders for a QB
I don't love the amount of available bets on this site, anyone know of other sites?
Link
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Best prop bets book.

I was wondering what sportsbook has the most prop bets available for MLB/NFL, I use Bovada but they have few players with HR props and I wanted to find a book with a wider selection.
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[H] Superbowl GRLC-only betting service with complete odds [W] Bets!

Hey everyone,
Super Bowl LII is looking to be fairly uneventful this year. The New England Patriots taking win after win means hopes aren't that high for a comeback by the Philadelphia Eagles. Why not make some fun (and some Garlicoin!) out of it, by betting on the Superbowl odds? You'll be screaming at your TV in no time!
Here are the odds, according to sportsline. Taken from here and also sports.bovada.lv
8:5 means 8 GRLC investment returns a profit of 5 GRLC with a win.
I may have to disable betting on 1, 5, and 7, because in a Patriot's win I'd have no funds from other bets to cash out and it would all have to be from my own pocket. However, so far, so good.
  1. New England Patriots WIN - 8:5
  2. Philadelphia Eagles WIN - 5:8
  3. Total score is OVER 48.5 1.1:1
  4. Total score is UNDER 48.5 1.1:1
  5. Patriots win by OVER 4.5 points. (Spread) 1.15:1
  6. Patriots win by LESS THAN 4.5 points OR LOSE. 1.05:1
HALFTIME BETS:
  1. At halftime, Patriots have OVER 3 point lead: 1.1:1
  2. At halftime, Patriots have under 3 point lead, or less: 1:1:1
  3. Total score at halftime is OVER 24: 1.1:1
  4. Total score at halftime is UNDER 24: 1.1:1
If you would like to bet, send your GRLC to my address at
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OR SEND TO MIDDLEMAN, SEE NOTE AT BOTTOM.
IMPORTANT
In your description, put your
  1. Reddit username
  2. What you're betting on, using the numbers I listed above.
  3. Your Receiving address
You can choose not to have your username, as long as you're sure your recieving address is correct, or you can choose not you have your address, and I can contact you in PM for that using your username.
Example:
u/stonepaw90 10G on #2, 5G on #3, 1G on #10 and my address is

And I'd know you'd bet 10 GRLC on the Eagles to win, 5 GRLC on the total scores to be over 48.5, and 1 GLRC on the total scores at half time to be under 24.
If only a few people bet, and I don't have enough to pay out in worse case scenario, I will send the GRLC back which I can't do. I'll do this Saturday night/Sunday morning.
Payouts will be when I return from my superbowl party, at 11am EST on monday Feb 5, or the day before, in the likely case that I'm not snowed in.
Best of luck!
EDIT: As NaturalHavoc points out, I don't have a ton of credibility. Don't give me more than 10 GRLC unless you really want to. I'm just here for the memes - I'm not super greedy for garlicoin. If a mod wants to collab or be the GRLC holder, contact me.
EDIT2:
MIDDLEMAN INFORMATION
u/Church_Yo will be providing a middle man service. Post your offer in the comments, and I will confirm it and direct you to Church's wallet. He will hold all the funds until it is time to payout.
See his post here:
https://www.reddit.com/GarlicMarket/comments/7uogsx/h_superbowl_grlconly_betting_service_with/dtm7dsa/
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Danielle Hunter has the same (betting) odds as Jadeveon Clowney to be Defensive Player of the Year.

I was placing some NFL prop bets today and saw that they had the exact same odds on Bovada. They were top 1/3rd. Fun that he's getting some sports book love too.
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Degeneration Nation: best longshot prop bets

I would not recommend sports gambling unless you happen to have a load of disposal income. Hell, even then, I wouldn't recommend sports gambling. Unless you have some advanced analytical system or a Marty McFly sportsbook, it's a sucker's game and a surefire way to lose money over the long run.
THAT SAID, it's still fun to talk about. And once and a while, try to take a chance on some good value picks. I'm going to suggest a few of those here, although be warned that a) gambling is dumb, b) I am dumb. But hey here are my two cents anyway.
BEST LONGSHOT PROP BETS
Matthew Stafford: most passing yards, +1500 (15:1)
I'm taking these odds from the two most popular online sportsbook. On sportsbook.ag, Stafford was +1500 (15:1). On bovada, he's +1200 (12:1).
In either case, there's value there. The Detroit Lions are going to try to run the ball more often, but time will tell if that will actually work. And if it doesn't, Matt Stafford should be zipping passes all season long. New coach Matt Patricia comes from a New England franchise that had a lot of success with the volume passing game, so I don't think he'll have any qualms about letting Stafford rip as many times as necessary.
Last season, Stafford had 4446 passing yards, 3rd most in the NFL (and only 121 behind leader Tom Brady.) And for Stafford, that was no fluke. Since 2011, he's averaged 4562 passing yards per season. If he can simply hit that average, he'll be right in the mix for the most passing yards. There's no reason to think Stafford will struggle this year in particular; the Lions' receiving corps is one of the more underrated units in the league.
If you want to be even BOLDER, you can look at Stafford at for MVP (40:1 on both sites.) I don't project Detroit into the playoffs myself, but if you do, Stafford may parlay that into MVP buzz.
Saquon Barkley: most rushing yards, +1400 (14:1)
Note: this is only +1000 on bovada, at which point I may pass. But the 14:1 on sportsbook feels like solid value.
To me, Saquon Barkley is the best RB prospect of the 2000s. Now, does that mean he's going to be a surefire stud in the NFL? No, not at all. Does that mean he's going to be good as a rookie? Not necessarily. There are several factors working against him on that front. He's been struggling with a hamstring injury in the preseason. His offensive line is a "work in progress" (to be kind.) His coach Pat Shurmur is more of a passing game guru than running guru (his Vikings tended to struggle there.)
But when you're talking about odds like this, all you want is a credible chance. And I believe Barkley gives you that. He's going to be a workhorse with every opportunity to succeed. If Eli Manning and the Giants defense continue to struggle, perhaps Shurmur leans more heavily on the running game to help control the clock. Best of all, the "bar" isn't enormously high here. Last season, Kareem Hunt led the league with 1327 rushing yards. Barkley can theoretically match or exceed that mark.
To me, the biggest threat to win this crown would be Ezekiel Elliott, whom may be dinged slightly by the loss of his center Travis Frederick. There's an opening here for someone like Barkley to burst through the gates.
Amari Cooper: most receiving yards, +4000 (40:1)
Okay you want to get crazy? Let's get nuts. Cooper is 40:1 on both sites, well down the list of top contenders.
And it's easy to understand why he's being overlooked. Cooper was AWFUL last season. He registered a pathetic 48 receptions and 680 yards, good for # 51 in the league.
So how can # 51 rise to # 1? Opportunity. To win the "most receiving yards" crown, you need targets. Lots of targets. In Oakland, Cooper should be getting that. Jon Gruden is going to make Cooper the focal point of the passing game in a major way. Cooper averaged 131 targets in 2015-16, and may improve on those marks with Michael Crabtree out of the picture. I can easily see him being peppered with 150-160, even if it means forcefeeding him the ball. If he hits that 160 mark, he'd gain about 1300 yards based on his career yards/target average.
Unlike the running back position, the "bar" is going to be high at receiver. If they're healthy, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, and Odell Beckham will be flirting with the 1500 mark. But hey, at 40:1, you're not looking for a surefire bet. You're buying a lottery ticket.
Christian Kirk (WR-ARI), offensive rookie of the year: +10,000 (100:1)
This is only +5500 (55:1) on bovada, but I'd still look at this either way. Kirk is the 20th highest player on the board, and good value at that spot.
Obviously, Saquon Barkley is the heavy favorite for this award. Hell, he may be the leading rusher in the NFL (as discussed.) But if Barkley does not live up to the/my hype, then there may be an opening here. Fellow top backs (Rashaad Penny, Ronald Jones, Sony Michel, Nick Chubb) have not secured a major role for their teams yet. Royce Freeman (DEN) is a major threat, but it's not like Denver is a powerhouse of an offense themselves.
In terms of quarterbacks, I don't see any of this particular class excelling out of the gates. With the exception of Baker Mayfield (who's a backup), they're all young and in need of some refinement. They'll get the headlines, but probably not this trophy.
Enter Kirk as a potential sleeper. One of my favorite pet theories regards the predictive quality of Immediate Impact. In college, it's very rare for a player to step right onto campus and make an impact as a true freshman (without a redshirt season first.) When they do, they often make a similar immediate impact in the NFL. Joey Bosa is a great example of this; the kid ripped it up for 7.5 sacks as a true freshman at Ohio State, and sure enough, looked ready from Day 1 in the NFL as well.
Receiver Christian Kirk had that same type of "immediate impact" at Texas A&M, leading the team with 1009 yards as a true freshman. Physically, he's not an overwhelming talent, but he's exceptionally polished and skilled for his age. Apparently he's been displaying that in Arizona already, which could translate into a major role. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets 800-900+ yards out of the gate.
Is he a likely rookie of the year? No. But hey, this is 100:1 we're talking about. All you want is a chance. And I believe he has that.
Derwin James: defensive rookie of the year, +1400 (14:1)
James is 14:1 on bovada, but only 10:1 on sportsbook. At 14:1, I'm looking hard at this bet.
Copy and paste what I wrote about "immediate impact" and apply it tenfold to Derwin James. As a true freshman at Florida State, he looked like a superstar, registering 91 total tackles, 4.5 sacks, and 2 forced fumbles from the safety position. An injury derailed his sophomore year, but he's now 2 years recovered from that and should be back to elite form. There aren’t many safeties like him. Ever. He's a 6'3" rocket launcher.
With the Chargers, Derwin James has every opportunity to shine. The Chargers may be a top 3 defense this year and a potential playoff force, keeping James in the spotlight. He can also be used in a variety of roles -- including as a pass rusher -- which should help bolster his stats.
Any "defensive rookie of the year" race is wide open because there are so many horses in the field, but James would be a top 3 candidate to me, at a very reasonable and discounted price here.
Von Miller: most sacks, +1800 (18:1)
Again, with a "long shot" bet, all you really want is a viable chance of success. Von Miller as the leading sack artist in the league? There's definitely a chance of that. He's recorded 10+ sacks in six of his seven years in the league, with the only exception in 2013 when he missed 7 games.
I wouldn't necessarily peg Miller as the favorite for this distinction (that would probably be Joey Bosa), but he offers the best value given these odds. Your hope here is that rookie DE Bradley Chubb takes some of the pressure off Miller, and allows him to rack up 14-15 sacks again. If the Denver Broncos offense plays a little better as a team, that should also help Miller's cause as well. Opponents didn't need to throw much on them last year -- registering just 491 passing attempts. If that numbers climbs back up to 520-530, then Miller will have more bites at the apple.
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MNF Player Props and Line Movement

https://www.sportsinsights.com/nfl/
KC opened as -5 favorites, but have slipped to -3.5 despite getting 66% of the bets. Reverse Line Movement.
Player Props
https://www.bovada.lv/sports/football/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs-denver-broncos-201810012015
Passing Yardage
Mahomes 297.5 -120 over
Keenum 274.5 even
Passing Touchdowns
Mahomes 2.5 even
Keenum 1.5 -135 over
Rushing Yards
Hunt 64.5 -130 over
Rushing and Receiving
Hunt 82.5 -125 over
Lindsay 72.5 -130 over
Freeman 55.5 -125 over
Receiving Yardage
Sanders 79.5
Kelce/Hill 77.5
D Thomas 65.5
Watkins 56.5
Sutton 37.5
Conley 20.5
Anytime TD score
Hunt -190
Kelce/Hill -145
D. Thomas +115
Freeman +120
Sanders/Lindsay +130
Watkins +140
Conley +200
Sutton +250
Mahomes +250
Ware +300
Keenum +1600
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TNF Line Movement and Player Props

https://www.sportsinsights.com/nfl/
Philly opened as -3 road favorites, and with 61% of the betting on them, they've actually fallen to -1 at most books with one book having it as a pick'em. This is Reverse Line Movement. The o/u has moved down from 45 to either 44.5 or 44 depending on the book, despite what looks like almost 70% betting on the over. Again, RLM.
Player Props
https://www.bovada.lv/sports/football/nfl/philadelphia-eagles-new-york-giants-201810112020
Passing Yardage
Manning 265.5 -145 over
Went 278.5 -140 over
Passing TD's
Manning 1.5 -125 over (this opened at -150 over so it has been bet down)
Went 1.5 -180 over
Receiving Yardage
OBJ 92.5, Ertz 73.5, Sheppard 64.5, Jeffrey 59.5, Agholor 47.5, Barkley 46.5, Smallwood 22.5, Clement 19.5
Most of the receiving yardage props have been bet down to their current number, i.e. they were higher to open.
Rushing Yardage
Barkley 61.5, Clement 45.5, Smallwood 35.5
There are no combined Rushing/Receiving Props tonight, which seems kind of weird given how much all of these backs are in the passing game.
TD Props
Barkley -145
OBJ -Even
Ertz +140
Clement +160
AgholoSmallwood +165
Sheppard +170
Jeffrey +190
Ellison +200
Wentz +500
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Monday/Thursday Short Slate Preview

I posted about short slates last week and got some good feedback from you guys and thought I'd post something you may want to use this week for M/Th gpps. This is only for gpps and will get you absolutely crushed in cash, so if you decide to use some pieces of it, only do it in gpps.
  1. There aren't any player props up yet, but when they get posted later today you can find them here: https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/minnesota-vikings-chicago-bears-201710092030 There will not be player props for the Thursday game posted yet.
  2. Vegas Line movements are here: https://www.sportsinsights.com/nfl/ Minnesota opened as a -2 point favorite and is now up to -3.5 with 68% of the bets. Most of this has to do with the fact that Chicago is starting a Rookie QB and Bradford now seems likely to play. The line in Carolina is the Panthers -3 and an o/u of 45. The betting is 60/40 on Philly and the line is the same. The over has moved up to 46 with 82% of the betting.
  3. I think based on Newton's last 2 games, he's going to be the highest owned QB on this slate, and probably by a significant margin. The public is likely going to flock to a "name" QB playing at home in a national game, coming off of 2 great games. And the public might be right. However....
  4. I use the Rotoviz Game Splits app a lot and it basically shows you the breakdown of players individual splits based on a variety of factors, location, opponent, point spread, number of pass attempts, etc. There's a ton of them. However if you break down Newton since the start of last year his basic home/road split is kind of telling: He averages 4 points more on the road than at home.
  5. I've started using FantasyADHD and their adjusted matchup app to look at how different teams lineup statistically. http://fantasyadhd.com/matchups/ The two categories I use are "expected points" and "Differential" The guy who runs it participates in a Slack chat I'm in and has some good insights. If you look at Caronlina's QB matchup for this week, it's a bit above average in expected points but actually a bit of a downgrade for Newton based on the differential selection. (If you use the link above, for the Differentials going left to right is "good to bad on average" and green is "good" for a plus matchup for the offense and red is "bad" or a downgrade for the offense.) So now, I feel o.k. in the assumption that Cam will be over owned, his home splits are worse than his road, and statistically, this isn't some kind of can't miss situation for Cam.
  6. The ADHD matchup isn't wild about the Philly and Carolina WR's. Combining that info with the higher point total in the Thursday game, I would guess a lot of ownership flows to that game. Based on that, I think this opens up value in the Minn WR. Diggs will probably be highly owned, but if you look at the Week 5 WR matchups on the ADHD tool, you'll see that Minnesota has both good expected point totals for WR's and a good differential. Diggs has 4 TDs in 3 games vs the Bears. Thielen will probably be under owned and seems to possible provide a good pivot to the Carolina/Philly guys. The QB matchup is considered a bit of a positive for the Vikings as well. Anyway, it's an interesting tool that you can play around with.
  7. I think the prevailing view will be people liking McCaffery and the ADHD matchup doesn't really look promising for him. Murray has a bad matchup using the ADHD tools and Blount's is viewed as good under the tools. I would think a lot of people might float towards Murray as the Vikings are a favorite in their game. I'm thinking that the Bears RB's are kind of the wild card here. On the one hand, the Bears are starting a rookie QB so conventionally wisdom would be they lean on the running game to help him out. Yet, they are playing the Vikings who have a good run D. Using the ADHD tools, it's viewed as an ok/slightly above matchup for expected points, but it's actually a downgrade under the differential tool. Howard ran for over 100 yards in each meeting against the Vikings last year and Cohen has had his two best games at home this year although the game script and small sample size alerts applies here.
  8. At TE I assume Ertz will be the chalk with good reason. I'm just locking him in, although on sites like DK with a flex I could see trying to play Rudolph. I think Dickson will be over owned based off of what he did yesterday.
What does this all mean? I'm starting to think in general terms that the Vikings/Bears game has a shot of going over the total and the PantheEagles will probably go under, which is probably going against the conventional wisdom on this slate. I think you can fade Cam and get some value with Bradford (or even Keenum) and stack both Minnesota WR's to gain an attack plan. If you play around with the ADHD matchup thing, I think it shows there's a pretty good chance McCaffery doesn't put up a monster game, so I'm going to do the "double fade" on some of my lineups and essentially just skip the Panthers offense. I don't think most people will even think about this (and maybe they're right) so it will probably create a lot of unique lineups. I also think
TLDR: there's some statistical/game theory support to fade the Panthers offense, stock up on Minnesota's Passing game, play Ertz and mix and match RB's from the other 3 teams. Yes, on this kind of slate it's o.k to play Viking WR's and Bears RBs together.
There is massive downside with fading the team with the highest implied point total on a 2 game slate, but to succeed in short slate gpps you have to have a unique way to attack the slate. Again, this is absolute suicide in cash games but if you're willing to accept risk in gpps, it's probably a good angle for this slate.
Edit: I forgot to mention, I would sprinkle liberal doses of McKinnon in at RB.
2nd Edit: Deonte Thompson is a cheap receiver that will likely avoid Xavier Rhodes and he gets "The Human Turnstile" Trae Waynes.
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Sunday Morning NFL Line Movement and Player Props

https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/touchdown-and-field-goal-props-market-group
https://www.sportsinsights.com/nfl/
The Titans opened as -3 point road favorites in Miami, but with the news about Mariota, Miami is now a -1.5 point favorite on 57% of the bets. Makes sense.
Cleveland opened as -1 point home favorites and it's now a pick'em with 59% of the bets on the Jets moving the line towards them.
Cinci opened as -1 point home favorites and with only 49% of the bets, are now -3. Reverse Line Movement.
Dallas opened as -2.5 favorites vs Green Bay, and it's staying there despite 59% of the action on the Packers. While this is reverse line movement, this is also an indication of how rabid Cowboys fans are. They tend to over bet Dallas so it's skewing the line a bit but it also indicates that the larger volume bettors aren't running out and getting all over Green Bay at +2.5. That might change if it gets to +3.
Player Props
This is going to be really abbreviated today. You should really check out all the props yourself as there are too many to get into. In general, in no particular order:
  1. Rodgers has highest prop at 314.5 and Palmer is next at 285.5. I would describe the rest of the props for virtually all QB's as just kind of average. Dak has a good prop for him for yardage and his Passing TD prop is very good. Rodgers TD prop is good, but not great. Palmer TD prop is good. A guy who no one is talking about but has "good" props by the standards this week is Stafford from the Lions. His yardage prop is only 255 but his TD prop is 1.5 with -125 on the over. One of the few QB's with the juice on the over. PalmeWentz both have that in their game. Eli has "good" props for this week, better than Rivers.
  2. Bell clearly leads the way for RB's with 102.5 followed in order by Zeke, Hunt, Gurley. Bell also has a receiving prop of 32.5, so basically pegging him for over 130 combined yards. The TD prop for these 4 is in order Zeke, Hunt, Bell, Gurley. There are a bunch of other RB's with similar props with Gordon/Ajayi leading the next tier. You should really go through them to see if you find anything that jumps out.
  3. Receiving props are kind of screwy this week. The guys who make the props I think know that DFS players are looking at them so they kind of jammed a bunch of guys that are similarly priced on DK/FD into almost identical yardage props. For example: Tate,Garcon,Hilton are all about the same price and basically have identical receiving props. The high yardages seem to be Antonio followed by Jordy. All the GB receivers have over the juice on the over for their yardage and catch props. Dez's props were a little bit disappointing but not bad.
Final, random side note: I noticed this week that few people are talking about the Sunday or Monday Night games, in part because of what DK did by removing the SNF game from their main slate. There is also the uncertainty about the QB for Minnesota, but no one is mentioning that Chicago is starting a rookie QB. If you're in contests that either started Thursday or that include SNF and MNF today, you might get some bang for your buck by playing guys from those last two games. Hunt has pretty good props and would be a pivot from the Big 3 that everyone else is trying to jam in, and Diggs has 4 TD's in his 3 career games vs the Bears. Literally no one will be on Bradford if he plays and I don't most people are even looking at Tyreek Hill who should have a pretty good matchup. Again, this is just an observation, but I think virtually everyone in the Thursday slate either targeted the NE/Tampa game or is targeting Bell and the Cowboys/Packers. I can't imagine ownership ever being lower for guys on a MNF game. Hell I don't think most people even know who Minnesota's RB is.
Good luck
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Week 7 NFL Line Movement and Thursday Night Player Props

https://www.sportsinsights.com/nfl/
https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs-oakland-raiders-201710192025
KC opened up as -3 point road favorites at Oakland and with 76% of the bets on the Chiefs, they still remain -3 point favorites. This is showing that there is some heavy betting on the Raiders as the line should have moved substantially towards the Chiefs if the betting were of equal weight. The o/u opened at 47.5 and with 53% of the betting on the under, it's moved down to 46. Moving down 1.5 points with only 53% of the betting is a good indicator that the heavy money in this game appears to be on the Raiders and the under.
The only player props out as of Thursday morning are the TD scoring props. For the Chiefs the odds are as follows: Hunt -200, Kelce Even, Hill +150. For the Raiders: Lynch Even, Crabtree +140, Cooper +150 and Cook +175.
The fact that Cooper is so close to Crabtree on this prop, makes me think that if I had entries in the M-Thur short slate (which I do), I would move some Crabtree ownership to Cooper (which I will) especially if I am in a position where I'm trailing the field and need to make up ground.
There is one game where the favorite has changed since the original release of the lines. The Chargers opened up as +1 underdogs at home vs the Broncos, and even with 72% of the betting on the Broncos (which would make you think the line moved substantially towards the Broncos) it has installed the Chargers as a -1 point favorite. RLM in action. The o/u opened at 43.5 and with 56% of the betting on the under, it has moved down to 41. That is a lot of movement for 56% of the betting, so it is safe to say that there is a lot of heavy money on the under.
The Seahawks opened as -7 point road favorites at the Giants and with 53% of the betting on Seattle, the line has actually moved towards the Giants and is now Giants +5.5. This is again RLM.
The Pats opened as -4.5 home favorites in a Super Bowl rematch with the Falcons, and with 52% of the betting on New England, they've actually moved down to a -3 favorite. Again, RLM in play.
Finally, just a note about using lines in building your lineups. This stuff is way more of an art than a science and it takes a while to get a decent level of understanding. I've been doing it for awhile, and I still don't pick up on certain things so if you're just starting to follow it, it's a learning process. However, that being said, I saw some comments from people last week that I tried to address last week, but wanted to just repeat here. A couple of people mentioned that they thought the o/u moving up in the Browns/Texans game validated Kevin Hogan as a "good/safe" play. That is not at all what the movement in an o/u means for a QB in that kind of a game. People were ignoring that the spread itself was growing larger towards the Texans. In those types of games, the spread is much more important than the o/u. The spread indicates, among other things, blow out potential. When the spread keeps moving towards a home favorite all week, and the o/u is going up, that to me means potential problems for a visiting QB. Garbage time points are not guarenteed in these kind of games, and I mentioned Case Keenum's Week 2 start in Pitt as an example. Hogan's start last week is another. Anyway, everyone has their process and you should certainly do what you feel best, but be careful using only bits and pieces of line movement to validate your own narratives.
Good luck
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Week 6 Sunday Morning NFL Line Movement and Player Props

Edit: Rank of players by yardage prop has been updated at the bottom of this post.
https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/touchdown-and-field-goal-props-market-group
https://www.sportsinsights.com/nfl/
KC opened as a -4 point home favorite against the Steelers. With 62% of the action on the Chiefs, the line has either held steady at -4 or it's moved down to -3.5 at a couple of places, reflecting RLM with the Steelers. The o/u opened at 47 and with 63% of the action on the over, it's actually moved down to 46.5 at a couple of places and held the same everywhere else. Again, RLM. In the off season I read an article that said part of Big Ben's road problem splits might be about the time that the game starts. The article essentially showed some data that made it appear that Ben on the road actually got better the later in the day the game started. I can't find the article, but maybe one of you guys saw it as well. Anyway, today the game starts at 4:25. Given the obvious heavy money on the Steelers, maybe Ben is in for a better game than the public expects. I would think he would be extremely low owned.
Jags/Rams opened as a pick'em and with only 46% of the betting, the Jags have now moved to -2.5 favorites. This shows heavy RLM and a significant investment by heavy bettors in the Jags.
Atlanta and Denver have now gone to -13.5 and -12 point home favorites with heavy betting on both of them. The o/u in each game has also come down a couple of points behind heavy betting on the under. I think those betting trends show that there could be really large blowouts in each game and possible Defensive Touchdowns as well.
Washington opened as -10.5 point home favorites and has now moved to -11 behind 47% betting. Again, RLM in play. The o/u has held pretty steady.
Houston opened as -9 home favorites vs. Cleveland and is now at -10 behind 61% of the betting. The o/u opened at 44 and is now at 47 with 63% of the betting on the over. Although the total is moving up in this game (as opposed to what it is doing in the Atlanta/Denver games) people are over looking the fact that the spread is continuing to move in Houston's favor.
Side note and not based on the line movement: I think there is some possibility that this game gets as ugly as the Atlanta/Denver games get. I've seen a lot of talk about Hogan, but no one has mentioned that Cleveland has already yanked their starting QB twice this year, and did it multiple times last year. If you like Hogan's value I get why he is in play but double digit under dogs on the road don't always mean garbage time points. Sometimes they mean "really ugly day" or "QB gets pulled" Case Keenum had way better offensive weapons the day the Vikings went to play the Steelers and got clubbered in a game with a much closer spread.
Pats look like they might end up as double digit favorites but the game opened as -9 favorites and it looks like it's hanging around -9.5 with about 70% betting. This shows some heavier money on the Jets is keeping this from getting to -10.5 or -11.
The full player props aren't out but the TD props bets are available already. In short, the big name RB's all have great TD props and a lot of passing games have kind of average TD props.
For the RBs, their odds are in order: Hunt -185, Freeman -175, Fournette -175, Gurley -155 Bell -150, CJA -125, L. Miller -125, Gillislee -125, Ingram Even, A. Jones +125, McKinnon +125
So in looking at the RB's it seems like there's a clear pecking order for TDs going from most to least expensive RB. WR's are not so clear.
WR's/TE's: Hopkins -155, Gronk -145, Julio -125, Antonio -115, Hogan -105, Jordy Even, Jordan Reed Even, Mike Thomas Even, Mike Evans Even, Kelce Even.
All the other WR's not mentioned above (unless I missed someone and subject to these lines moving) have a TD prop with a + number and a lot of them are lumped together. An example of why this is weird: Mike Evans is listed at Even money and Larry Fitzgerald is at +125. I just assumed Fitz would have been something like -115 or -125 and Evans would have been +125 given his matchup with Peterson. If this is of interest to you, you should take a minute and looks at the lines whenever you read this and then again closer to kickoff and see if anything has changed. These player prop bets are kind of weird and none of the books take much action on them, but it's interesting to see how they move after they are set.
I'll try and come back and post yardage props if they get released early enough.
Good luck.
QB Yardage in Order: Brees, Brady, Ryan, Palmer, Winston, Cousins/Rogers, Stafford, Rivers, Watson. (There might be guys I missed but these are for the QB's I think have been most talked about or highest prop)
RB Yardage in Order: Hunt 103, Gurly 95, Bell 93, Fournette 80, Miller 67, Freeman 65, Gordon 62. Bell/Hunt have a combined rush/receiving prop of 130
WR Yardage in Order: Julio 100, Antonio 84, M. Thomas 82, Fitz/Evans 74, Hopkins 73, Gron/Nelson 72, Cooks 69, Allen/Tate 65, Hogan 62. There are a bunch of dudes hovering in between 40 and 60 and I did not see a prop for Thielen.
TE: Kelce 62 and Reed 52 had highest props. Rest of stuff is kind of all jumbled up.
Ending impression (completely my own opinion): The higher priced RBs seems to be worth paying up for from Vegas' perspective, a lot of the main WR plays are probably more closely bunched together than people think. If I missed something obvious, please post it below for people to see. Thx. Good luck.
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For people who are interested in using the Vegas Odds and Prop bets in their research

I've been using the Vegas Odds and Prop bets more in my research/analysis the last few weeks and have found that it's been helping in analyzing things a bit better. I posted some stuff on Sunday morning (and so did a couple of other people) that I think was helpful and wanted to just post the links to a few places so people could have it handy if they wanted to book mark it.
I've been using the following site to track the o/u and spreads on games: https://www.sportsinsights.com/free-odds/ (I don't have any affiliation with the site, and never purchased any of their paid content so have no idea if it's good or not). They have a pretty clearly laid out site and the information seems to update constantly.
One of the useful things to pay attention to is they display the amount of bets that are being placed on both the oveunder and on each team both straight up ("Money Line") and against the spread. They do not however show you the total amount of all those bets. But that's o.k., because you can roughly figure it out.
On this week's game, you can see the oveunder on the Eagles/Washington game started at 46.5. If you look to the left of the 46.5, you can see that 91% of the bets went on the "over" in that game. However, if you left to the right of the 46.5, you can see that the o/u total has fallen to either 44 or 44.5 (depending on which betting site you use) What does that tell us? That even though people are betting at a 9-1 rate on the over, there has been so much money bet on the under by the 9% that think it's going under, that Vegas has decided to move the line down. That's a pretty significant indicator to me, that the really "sharp" guys who do this for a living, think that game is going to lower scoring then what the general public does. To me for DFS purposes, this means you need to be careful picking players from this game.
Another thing you can use the lines for is to see if there are any wild swings in the how many points a team is favored by just before game time, as opposed to when the week started. For Week 5, the Rams initially opened as -2.5 favorites at home vs the Bills. By Sunday morning, the line had swung all the way to the Bills were -2.5 road favorites, so a 5 point swing. That doesn't happen very often, so it's something to watch out for.
For player props, I use the bet lines posted by Bovada: https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/game-lines-market-group (again, I have no affiliation with bovada and have never bet there)
The above is the link to their general game lines. On the pull down menu at the top left, it will have have a selection that says "props" They have nothing listed as of today. By Sunday morning it will say "QB Props" "Rushing Props" and "Receiving Props"
When they are displaying information it will generally be in a format that will have a total o/u for number of yards with a separate number in front of and behind the yardage numbers. Essentially if the two numbers are "-115" that means that you have to lay $115 to win $100 on whatever side of the bet you want. Also means the bet is essentially even, neither side is favored. If one side of the number says "-125" and the other side says "-105" that means the "-125" is the more highly favored bet and you'd have to bet $125 to win $100. For DFS purposed, that means the "-125" side is more likely to happen, so if it's on an over, that means it's more likely that the player goes over the yardage total.
Real world example: Week 4, Matt Ryan's passing yards were (I believe) 285 yards, with either -125 or -140 on the over. To me that meant, Vegas thought that Ryan was going to have a good/great day passing. He did with 500 yards. He was 1.9% owned. I put him in a couple of lineups solely because I saw the Vegas prop bet. Julio Jones also had (I believe) the 2nd highest prop total for receiving yards with money favoring the over. Again, I played him primarily because of this issue.
Anyway, hope this helps people that were interested in this kind of stuff but maybe didn't completely understand it.(and hopefully I didn't make it more confusing"
Good luck
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Week 12 Sunday Vegas Line and Player Props

Not all of the games have had props released yet so I'll try and come back and update this later. I'll put the updates above the body of the post. If you want to check the game lines, here's the link I use: https://www.sportsinsights.com/free-nfl-odds/ Here is the link for player props: https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/qb-props-market-group (you can use the menu bar above to look at Rushing/Receiving/Scoring Props)
  1. Game Lines: The line on San Diego/Houston has swung 3.5 to 4 points in the Chargers favor with only 54% of the bets being on them. This generally means that the "Sharps" are heavily betting the Chargers. For DFS purposes, I'd say this mean it's o.k. to fire up Rivers and Gordon. No player props out for this game yet; The Patriots opened as 9 point favorites with a 48 o/u and both the Pats (83%) and the over (73%) are getting pounded, which normally means the lines should be moving even higher. However, in this case, the lines are moving down to Pats -8 and an o/u of 46.5. This would suggest the sharps are on the Jets and that perhaps the Jets offense is worth a look.
  2. QB Props- not all games are out, but here's what jumped out at me. Eli Manning's TD Prop is 2.5 with the under being a heavy favorite at -175. In other words, he's predicted to throw for 2 TDs. If you think the Giants are going to score a lot, this might mean Jennings at RB is a good bet to score. Drew Brees o/u for yards is 300.5 and his passing TD prop is 2.5. The yardage is even money, and the over is favored on TD's at -130. Brady's yardage prop is 293.5 with -125 on the over and his TD prop is 2.5 with -125 on the over. If you want a kind of contrarian play at QB based on the props, Bortles might be your guy. His yardage prop is 245.5 and while his TD prop is 1.5 TDs, it's -200 on the over. -200 is a huge number on these kind of props. His INT prop of .5 is also a large -250 on the over. I would think Vegas expects Bortles to air it out a bunch. Carson Palmer's yardage prop is 10 yards higher than Matt Ryan's if you're looking at that game.
  3. Running Backs- DJ has a pedestrian for him rushing prop of 85.5, but his receiving prop is 45.5. This seems kind of similar to the props that were out for Le'veon Bell on Turkey Day. He seems pretty safe to fire up. Similarly Melvin Gordon's rushing yardage prop is at 75.5 and his Receiving yardage prop is at 37.5 with -125 on the over. I would think this, plus what I mentioned about the line swing in the Chargers game bodes well for Gordon. Jennings yardage prop is 69.5. Demarco's rushing prop is 80.5 and his receiving prop is 19.5 for comparison's sake. Rawls yardage prop is 67.5 with -125 on the over. Forte's rushing prop is 74.5 with -125 on the over, he might be the guy you can consider from the Jets if you're interested.
  4. Wide ReceiveTight Ends- Highest yardage props so far go to Julio at 90.5 and OBJ at 89.5, both even money. Jones catch prop is 6.5 and it's 6 for Beckham, both with even money again. The most interesting yardage prop to me is Mike Evans at 82.5 yards. Fitz has encouraging yardage props of 72.5 (-125 over) and catches at 6.5 (-130 over). For the Saints Receivers Weekly Conundrum, I revert back to something I mentioned when they played the Broncos. Cooks has the largest yardage and catch prop of the 3 Saints WR's. He is also the most favored to score a TD. The Saints are a huge favorite (-190) to score the longest TD in their game. I combine all of this and think Vegas predicts that Cooks is going to bust another long TD. I believe Cooks has 2 of the 3 longest offensive TDs of the year so far and all of his catches against the Broncos went for at least 26 yards from what I remember. I think Thomas is also in a good spot.
Finally, this is all kind of an interpretation of a bunch of moving targets, so if you think I'm missing something or have something else to add, please post it below. Between all of the QB, Rushing, Receiving and Scoring Props, there are over 300 bets that get released about 2 1/2 hours before the 1 p.m. games, so since I know some of you have been paying a lot of attention to this, if you see something that looks interesting/strange, go ahead and post it. I'm not sure I'll be able to respond to everything, but I know other people will.
Good luck.
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Sunday Morning Vegas Lines and Player Props

2nd Update Noon: The odds on the over on Big Ben's passing prop went down from -160 to an even money -115 on both sides. I still think there's some merit to him, but I would tread cautiously.
Quick Update: Blount is the favorite on the slate to score a TD at -200. Beckham/Brown/Bell/Zeke are at -175. (I'm sure there are a couple more I'm leaving out)
Marvin Jones and Theo Redick are even more bets to score a TD vs Jax. I know a lot of people have mentioned Tate this week, but those two other guys might be worth a flyer.
This is going to be shorter than usual because I have an announcement to make: my recent DFS performance has been effected negatively by my postings, because too many of you are taking my advice which is adversely impacting my ability to cash and make a profit, so I am going to start charging you for the privilege of listening to me.
Nah, fuck that. You still get all of my nonsense, but in a more condensed version today because I'm kind of sick and am concerned that some of my analysis may be affected by too much sinus medication.
Here's the link for the line action on the games: https://www.sportsinsights.com/free-nfl-odds/
Here's the link for the player props: https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/qb-props-market-group You can use the scroll menu to pull up the RB and Receiving props.
I know each week somebody new reads this (because I get asked similar questions each week, which is cool, no problem), but if I use a term you don't get, just go look up some of my prior posts and some of them have better description of terms. This week I'm just going to assume, you guys kind of know most of my short hand and if you don't just post a question and either myself or someone else will chime in. Because we share at 8MileAllstar Media Empire, we don't fuck people over who helped us out when we asked them to.
  1. The o/u in the Pitt/Cleveland game has come down 6 points. I think a lot of it is about the weather. But that is a lot of points, a touchdown actually. The player prop on yardage for Big Ben opened at 305.5 on Friday and is at 275 this morning, that's a massive drop. He's still heavily favored to throw for more than 2.5 TDs (-165) which did not change since Friday. I would think that the fact the TD thing remained the same, while the yardage went way down, might mean Vegas expects more short passing routes from Pitt and Brown might not be as effected as we think. Bell's prop for rushing yards is 90.5 (-130 on the over) which is good but not great, however his receiving yardage prop is set at 50.5, which is the highest I remember this year for a RB. Brown's receiving yardage prop is 89.5 (-125 on the over) and his catch prop is 7.5 (even money).
  2. Seattle/Philly- The total in this has moved down all week and opened at 46 and is now somewhere between 42 and 43. The 'Hawks opened as -6 point favorites and are now somewhere around -7 with 72% of the bets on the 'hawks. The player props for Wilson and Wentz are up and I think Vegas likes Wilson a decent amount and is not a big fan of Wentz.
  3. Comparing RB's- They are slow releasing the RB props this morning, so far it's: Zeke 95.5, Bell 90.5, Demarco 86.5, Blount 85.5, David Johson 82.5, McCoy 82.5, Ware 75.5. Blount is favored on the over for his (-125) so I think this may in fact be a Blount week. You should check the link above closer to 11:30 or so, all or most of them should be posted by then. Bonus note: Check out the receiving yard props for Zeke and DJ.
  4. WR's- Right now it's OBJ 90.5, Green 90.5, Antonio 89.5, Hilton 79.5, Evans 79.5 Dez 75.5, Robinson 69.5, Diggs 67.5, Tate 65.5. Like I said about the RB's, not all the props are up.
OBJ has the highest yardage prop, the under is favored on his catch prop of 6. He and Brown are the biggest favorites to catch a TD (-175). I would think combining these 3 things, OBJ may have a huge TD or two in him today.
  1. QB's- QB's are really late with the props being posted, but I would pay special attention today on the TD pass props for QBs and look for guys who are favored on the "over" side of their number, even if it is a bit less than someone else. For instance if QB "A" has a TD prop of 2 but the under is favored with a number like (-135), I would prefer QB "B" with a TD prop of 1.5 TDs if the "over" is favored with a number like (-150). (All other things being relatively equal)
Good luck guys.
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NFL Future Player Props Discussion

I haven't seen a thread yet, but bovada/bodog released all of their season long player props. (there are a lot)
https://sports.bodog.eu/football/nfl-season-player-props
so far I have:
That's 269 yards/game if he plays all 16 games. He is glass these days and I expect him to go down sometime during the season. Even if he is healthy there is a big difference between road berger and home berger
SEA has the worst o-line in the league, which wont give wilson a ton of time in the pocket. A lot of baldwin's yards are from scrambles and coupled with the fact that SEA doesn't throw that often, i don't mind this bet
This bet is worded ridiculously bad. Doesn't say quarterback anywhere there, which i assume is what is means, but you may be able to argue if you ever lose it. With that said, even if it were QB starters only, i would still take the over. Mccown played week 4 of preseason and already got banged up. he either goes down in the season, or they tank so hard they give petty some reps for experience. If the jets start 0-6 which they likely will, they would have to switch something up
These next two bets go hand in hand. Miamia has the #26 ranked offensive lines overall, and i think worse in run blocking. yes the line is similar to last year, and ajayi had a breakout year last year. but mostly because of the 3 games over 200 rushing yards. ajayi gets most of his yardarg from chunk yardage. 23% of AJayis rushing yards was from just 7 different runs and 57% of Ajayi's runs were less than 3 yards. Last year gase didn't trust Tannehill so ran Ajayi all game even when they were losing. with Cutler in place hopefully cutler has more say in the play calling and doesn't rely on the run too much.
Parker looks like he will have a breakout season and cutlet loves Parker, says hes a faster alshon. with landry grabbing the attention of most CB1s, and even potentially going to jail and all the points above re: Ajayi. if the fins get into 2nd and 3rd and long, look for cutler to go to his fav target.
I like the strategy of finding players that are likely to get injured and take the under especially if it is high already. Ie maybe gronk under, reed under.
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Good value on a very likely candidate.
Both rookies starting rb in a run heavt offense. Either could easily go off
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Sunday Morning Vegas Line Updates

Update at 11:00 A.M. EST: Vegas has released more player props then when I wrote this originally. Everything in the body of this still holds true. I would add the following comments:
Vegas likes the big three Falcons (Ryan, Freeman and Jones) to have good games;
If you're looking for a QB/WR hookup with big play potential, Vegas is leaning towards Brees/Cooks. If you look at the o/u prop for longest touchdown in that game it is set at 42.5 yards. There is a separate bet on which team will score the longest TD in the game. The Saints are the heavy favorites at -150. Cooks is an even money bet to score a TD in that game. Putting that all together (and it's like reading tea leaves) I think Vegas is implying that Cooks may bust another long TD. Cooks has the highest receiving yardage prop of any Saints WR, and is the only predicted to go over the receiving yardage and catch props for New Orleans. If you're going to throw a dart in a gpp, I'd go with Cooks. Brees o/u on yardage has been bet up 14 yards since Friday and is higher than the total amount of passing yards the Broncos have given up in any game this year. You almost never see that.
I've received a lot of questions/comments about my other posts and I've tried answering them all, but I'm sure I always leave something out (unintentionally). I see some things in the way the lines have moved from earlier this week to this morning, that I think can help answer the questions/comments in a more practical way than I generally can explain them. This is the link for where I look at the lines, there are other places, this is just easiest for me. If you decide to follow this kind of stuff, and you find another site that is easier for you to use, you should use that. https://www.sportsinsights.com/free-nfl-odds/
-----When one side of a line is being heavily bet the line should move towards that side.
This morning there are two great examples of what, for lack of a better word, is "normal"
The Cardinals opened as -12.5 point home favorites against the 49ers. Currently, 63% of the bets on the point spread have been on the Cardinals. The line has now moved to the Cardinals being favored by -14 points. That makes sense. If you want to bet the Cardinals, and most people do, you have to give more points to get them. That's how Vegas essentially tries to balance out these lines.
There's a second good example of this involving an oveunder this week. The o/u in the Broncos/Saints opened at 47. 77% of the bets have been on the over and the over now sits at 50. That makes sense. A bunch of people want to bet on the over, so now in order to try and balance the wagers (I know it's actually more complicated than this, but this is essentially what's going on) Vegas is moving the number higher to try and encourage more people to take the under.
------ When Stuff gets "Weird" there's usually a reason.
In the blog link I posted earlier in the week I mentioned that I thought some weird stuff was going on with the Texans/Jags game. I'm got going to regurgitate it here, but if this interests you, you should go read it.
However, there's another game with a similar thing going on. in the Bengals/Giants game, the Giants opened as -3 point favorites. 56% of the bets on the spread have been on the Giants. All things being equal I would guess that the line would not move at all or perhaps move .5 towards the Giants. But the complete opposite of that has occurred, the line is now Bengals -1. Why? Let me introduce you to the concept of the "Sharps" These are the guys who bet for a living. These are referred to as "the guys who know" by some. And I, who have been paying attention to this stuff all year have come to a conclusion about "the guys who know": They really do know some things. When a line swings so substantially against the betting patterns it's because the side of the bet getting less of the total percentage of bets is getting the heavier volume/weight of the bets. The Jags/Texans game is a perfect example of the the Sharps basically saying the general public is being stupid. The Bengals/Giants game to me is giving off the same vibe.
What does this mean for DFS purposes? I think the Jags Defense is a great play. Brock Osweiler on the road is essentially fantasy goodness for the opposing team and while the general public may look at the Jags as a shitty team (which they are), the "sharps" are looking at it as "Osweiler on the road is a liability, we will gladly give you less than a field goal. Thank you in advance for the money" Again, this is my interpretation of what the betting patterns say. I got no independent clue as to what will happen, and I was planning to largely fade this game anyway. I would mention that the o/u on passing yards for Osweiler is 215.5. The o/u on Osweiler TD passes is 1.5 with -125 on the under. https://sports.bovada.lv/football/nfl/qb-props-market-group These player prop bets are ridiculously low for a non-running threat QB. Make of it what you will.
-----The Sunday Night Hammer Theory
While it's more prevalent in MLB and NBA, I know a lot of people like the idea of playing guys in the last game of a slate and refer to it as a "Hammer" The Vegas lines on the Sunday night Seahawks/Pats game make me think there might be a couple of hammers in that game.
The spread opened with the Pats -7.5 favorites. 71% of the action has been on the Pats (that means taking the points) and the line has not moved. The o/u opened at 48 and with 60% of the action on the over, it's moved one point up to 49. My thinking is that the "Sharps" are loading up on the Seahawks, and since Seattle cannot run, and is playing on the road as a touchdown dog, the "Sharps" kind of like Wilson and the Seahawks passing game to put up some points and keep this thing closer than the betting public does. Given how the o/u has gone up with the majority of the bets, I'm guessing the "Sharps" think the 48 number is pretty accurate but that it's likely to go over.
Fun factoid: you know who loves to gamble and always gives a shout out to his degenerate faithful? Al Michaels. He loves to mention gambling phrases especially towards the end of games when certain things happen. For instance he will use the word "over" several times in different contexts after a game hits the "over" of the Vegas line. If it's a Field Goal that puts it "over" he'll make a comment like "and the Field Goal is up and over for the..." If there's a late score in a game by a team that is favored to "cover" the spread, he'll often times say something similar to: "Well, that just about covers it folks, the game is pretty much over"
Good luck
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